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I85PIES (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
timcp1
"God is perfect and treats sin the same with the same punishment" & "whoever believes will be saved"
So, it doesn't matter if you've just told a simple lie or raped a child, it's all the same to him. All that matters is that you believe him; not believing is the only real sin, and that's what you will go to hell for.
Your perfect God seems to be operating a nasty little self glorification racket. 'Believe in and worship me, or else, I WILL make you suffer' God perfect? Really?
junkyjuice21 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
come on, a religious person in a debate like this just can't stand a chance, because they're wrong in the first place.
lexscripta1 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I agree with this. But thats good for Hitchins. A decent opponent such as Phil Johnson would be a lot more interesting, and would elevate the conversation.
I think inexperienced Christians ought to stay clear of people like Hitchins. The reason is that people then think the argument itself determines the correct response. This is silly of course, but true nonetheless.
lexscripta1 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"Hitchens can't be touched"
Except of course by his Maker.
DuctTapeMyFace (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
You seem to be arguing against your own example. Isnt that a touch silly friend?
AtheistCowboy (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I learned something today. Sharpton is kind of a prick. Instead of relying on his arguments to get his point across, he resorted to insulting Hitchens.
scottarmstrong1971 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I am stunned by the discourse here, especially by those claiming that all religious types are arrogant and find it ironic (eg, calling Sharpton a "retard" and Hitchens untouchable). The discourse would be infinitely more helpful if two things happened: both sides remained respectful and both sides agreed that whether you're religious or not, you obviously believe your viewpoint is correct and that, by definition, is exclusivistic. It is intellectually dishonest to argue otherwise.
Kazumaster (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
But the bible also says that you will be forgiven if you truly repent at the end, so isn't that exactly how it works?
Kazumaster (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
If god gave me morals and also made me who I am (an atheist), why is he punishing me for it? All-loving my ass.
WKaliber1 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Its a damn correct assumption though. "Morality" is a question of common sense. Religious people sound very arrogant; they dont have a monopoly on morality. |
